In addition we'd go and bless our herbs in the garden and around on Midsummer and then harvest them for John's night or the night before depending on the weather. Thanks for checking out my blog about my fathers WWII service on the PT boats. I too went to Catholic School in CA, and we definitely collected money for the Pagan babies. The thing was a brown color . Neil Getz on February 21, 2021 at 9:52 am. I think it was to put on envelopes for Christmas cards? Good question , though , about where all the money went . Pagan Names for your baby boy Achak: The name Achak is a Native American Origin name which means "Spirit." Adonis: Adonis means extremely good-looking (handsome), also of the Greek god of beauty and desire. Hooo, yes. By letting civility happen, we take better care not only of others and of the world itself, but of ourselves. Anyway , we never got pictures of our pagan babies . He didnt say that the big winner was the salesman himself , who had spent only a couple of hours with the principal and with the students but now had three hundred children who would be desperately trying to sell his candy for the next two weeks . Because we purchased Pagan Babies for five dollars a head, on a regular basis. Oh my, what a great story. The Pandemic Flu of 1918 and the COVID-19 Virus. A set or two of golf clubs may have been in there . The problems were global, structural, and often ambiguous. A bulletin board held the certificates, pinned to the wall. My first lessons in social justice came through saving pagan babies. http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1202140.htm, http://asksistermarymartha.blogspot.com/2006/08/announcing-pagan-baby-reunion.html. for missions in foreign lands. But, in fact, the entire program was rooted in a sense of solidarity and charity in the broadest understanding of the word. BUY THIS BOOK Pagan Babies Elmore Leonard. I went to a Catholic grade school from 1984 to 1994 and have never heard the term. Thanks for the comment . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet. My grandmother gave me $5 to buy my This brings back a memory now. Marianne Bruce is organizing this fundraiser on behalf of Edgardo Gonzalez Pagan. What memories. I had my little yellow UNICEF box, and they asked if it was for the Pagan Babies. Seen the movie Mea Culpa? This is hilarious, love this! Please email comments to [emailprotected] and join the conversation on our Facebook page. NFL NBA Megan Anderson Atlanta Hawks Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics Arsenal F.C. With touching little pictures of hungry children. *One of them may have been slightly Asian, but that was pushing things in those days. Im pretty sure it was the heavy sell on Pagan Babies and the strong emphasis on the fact that God doesnt like Protestants that caused me to first question the rigid authority of the Catholic Church. Thanks for your thoughtful comment . If you register with MISSIO by noon February 2, 2017, youll be entered for a chance to join the Pontifical Mission Societies on their pilgrimage to Rome in May 2017, and an audience with Pope Francis. Enjoyed reading all of your comments about Pagan Babies. Other Brookliners Remember Adopting Other notable guests included Cardinal Sean OMalley, Archbishop of Boston; Bishop Bejoy DCruze of Sylhet, Bangladesh; actor Andy Garcia, who stars in the film For Greater Glory, which opens June 1; and Noel Campbell, who rode Amtrak for three days from the Coeur DAlene Indian Reservation in northwest Idaho to New York to attend the event. "I think they cost five dollars." No , Sid , Im pretty sure that Jewish people were not considered pagans - but , who knows with some of those nuns . ), and its name was even weirder - it was collect money to feed the Black babies. By the way , I was born in SF . Catholic Register, more than one-third of millennials now say they are unaffiliated If theres a study done of it , I dont know . But they do a lot of things for children like provide food and clean water and mosquito nets. Thanks for a trip down memory lane and validating my recollection. Wow . In the background it shows mosques, pagodas, etc, all the better to drive home the horrors wed saved him from. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. While clearly titillating and voyeuristic, these presentations revealed a larger world and highlighted our own privileged place. Steve, Thanks for the kind comment . My first lessons in social justice came through saving pagan babies. Daley, who adopted "Michael" on February 24, 1959. Maybe the kids of today are more savvy . I refused. There were just people who needed another shoulder on their plow. Reminiscing about St. Amelias brings back many other memories. Im assuming youre a good Catholic father and have a tons of kids. Hey! You know the drill . Many students adopted several I came across an amazing new app called Missio, created by the. All good saints names . Catholics practice infant baptism because we take care of our childrens basic needs and what is more important than filling them with the Holy Spirit? Herman . The whole Pagan Babies thing was a big deal every year and resulted in a lot of competition among the 50+ pupils in Sr. Madeline Sophies 2nd grade class. I jumped at it. on a regular basis. The assembly was buzzing . I liked your PT post . "I remember those." Weird, the kind of memories we carry over from childhood, isnt it? I only have one question , he said . In the book, Pope Francis also addresses corruption at the Vatican, abuses committed by members of the Church, the COVID-19 pandemic, Russias invasion of Ukraine, among other topics. Im sure that Beverley Anne is fine and doing well . A Philadelphia punk band formed in 1986. Thanks for the comment. Bonus question: Did children in Europe collect coins for the pagan babies? You didnt buy one with the $5.00. None of my non-Catholic friends ever believed my pagan baby stories, either. Pictures of Cherub-faced Indian, African, and Asian babies graced small cardboard collection boxes given to each child. Despite its apparent condescending tone at times, it instilled a radical sense of urgency in children that we are responsible for one another.. I still say none of that money ever got beyond the archdiocese downtown , certificate or no certificate . Theyd say, Whats in it for me?. In most classrooms to encourage donations, the nuns pitted the boys against the girls. Reproduction of material from this website without written permission, or unlicensed commercial use or babies. . Thanks for commenting. Plot summary. or school. I have been searching for a pagan baby box for 30 years, any idea where I can find one ? But , heres the thing : When the class had five dollars then that class got to name a pagan baby . I think that the white kid had flowers in his hand and maybe a halo on his head. Im glad youu got a kick out of it . The boys could give a name to a boy pagan baby and the girls, a girl. I still think of those days and have many wonderful memories. I also remember a certain boy who came from a wealthier family who could buy his own pagan baby. I remember Green Stamps . I ended up with about five babies!" Youre too late. Pagan Babies book. "I remember donations that were not enough to "buy" a whole baby we're combined and the And then the certificate was put up above the chalkboard. These babies needed to be baptized, and so they needed missionaries, and the missionaries needed money. A friend of mine, from back in the 80s, played guitar in a band with that name (weird thing about that is, hes Jewish). Drawing its title from Hinckle's parochial education in San Francisco's Sunset District, "Ransoming Pagan Babies: The Selected Writings of Warren Hinckle" released by Berkeley nonprofit. We did that too. Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, retired archbishop of Washington; best-selling author Mary Higgins Clark; and television commentator Larry Kudlow were named 2012 pontifical ambassadors for mission. We were sitting on the floor anyway, but soon we were all (the Catholics) rolling on the floor laughing our heads off! As a first grade student at St.Aloysius in Wilkes-Barre, PA circa 1969, pagan babies were part of our extreme Catholic instruction. Lord, LordCatholic schools. Each classroom was given small cardboard collection boxes . I dont think he really believed me. - Bill R. Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, retired Archbishop of Washington; best-selling author Mary Higgins Clark; and television commentator Larry Kudlow were each named 2012 Pontifical Ambassadors for Mission. I did the saving bond thing , too . Im still a San Franciscan, but boy has everything changed. Patti Maguire Armstrong Patti Maguire Armstrong is host of the TV talk show Ladies of Another View and an award-winning author and journalist. It seems hard to believe, but according to the National Thanks for the interest. Campbell, now retired from the film industry where he worked as a technician, told CNY that hed been enrolled in the Holy Childhood Association since seventh grade and that he remembered adopting babies to get them baptized into the faith. Elementary The certificates were white, thick,wrinkly paper with burnt orange and brown late 60s modern catholic designs. Ask for their blessings so that your home will remain safe and happy, or if you do not follow a particular deity, you can alternately ask the . And yesyou know who you are. The rice they used was really good which I think defeated the purpose since a lot of kids looked forward to it, myself included. There must be a lot of pagan Davids running around out there, bought with purloined funds. We also collected money in Sunday School for the missions, but we still didnt get to name anyone. Read an Excerpt. Each pagan baby cost five dollars. In return they were given a decorative certificate commemorating their It was called Adopt-A-Pagan-Baby. And I totally forgot about those Pagan babies and I thought no were not, then I asked her what is a pagan baby LOL Im still not quite sure either haha that was a great story. Each time I hope to combine for them the Holy Childhoods call of responsibility with the lessons I learned in Guaymas: the difference between pity and solidarity, the complexity of the global structures that create poverty and need, and the smallness of our efforts at making a difference. No , only two thousand fifty , countered the salesman . But I assured her that my Karen went straight to heavenMonsignor had said so and celebrated a Mass of the angels in white vestments rather than the usual funeral Mass in her honor. That summer in Guaymas, I learned that people in poverty needed more than goodwill, and that social justice was not a simple matter of collecting spare change and sending it off to the right folks. To get the bike we have to sell nine million thirty six thousand three hundred and eight candy bars .. And I think that if you bought your own Pagan Baby you got to take the certificate home. Theology should be at the heart of any Catholic university. The money collected in the United States went to help feed, clothe and educate them. collections to save unbaptized children not taught about God (Pagan Babies). Everywhere a pagan pagan . Cary had guts, for sure , for such a bold attempt at fraud . Pagan Babies: and Other Catholic Memories. Pagan babies may have disappeared from collection boxes but they started showing up in our families. In Scotland, around 1966 or so, there was something similar in primary school (which one attends from age approx 5 to approx 12, and this school was not R.C. He was a bartender later in life , at least for awhile . I mentioned pagan babies and Im still not sure if they believed me. Congratulations for moving on and helping children in other countries. But Father Small, national director of the Pontifical Mission Societies in the United States, wasnt apologizing for the old adoption program in which children in Catholic schools would save their pennies. sacraments. Lajoie is on the staff of Catholic New York, newspaper of the Archdiocese of New York. When you get to heaven have it in your pocket . Who were these pagan babies, and did any of the pennies we contributed ever help any of them in any way? That reflects a certain dignified sincerity on your part , I think . DUDE! Youre stirring up memories . You never know what I might post about next! It seemed like an honorable thing, he said. Someone nees to buy Charlie a shiny bike. Sure would love to hear from anyone that remembers. Steve Stahley. I pictured the dozens of Karens I had saved growing up safely somewhere in Africa. The salesman had no answer . Im not sure at this point for whom we were collecting I supposed it could have been UNICEF, or perhaps a Catholic charity. - Nancy K. Saving pagan babies occurred during a simpler time, before cynicism and political correctness found their stride. Every month after the money was collected, a students name was "randomly"picked out of a bag with the chosen name becoming the "Pagan Baby of the Month.". It wasnt a huge effort at our school, Christ the King in Pleasant Hill, CA, and im sure i sold very few as my parents were not very supportive of that kind of fundraising. Ah , maybe it taught us some basic values , anyway ( or maybe it screwed us up so badly that we dont even realize how much ) . Back in the 1950s and early-1960s, and He could go home , buy his kids new bikes if he wanted to , and come back at the end of two weeks to collect the cash . Anybody have some spare change ? "What I loved about the Pagan Babies is that we were allowed to name them with our names. I know its not a politically correct term, but babies are not getting baptized or raised in the faith. When I was in grade school prior to ~1961 in Catholic school, we collected money (our little pittances of coins) for some vague, needy group covered by the catch-all term pagan babies.* Were collecting money for the pagan babies?* As I recall, there were little paper boxes that we saved our coins in and then turned them in to someone periodically. You missed the naming and the fold-out box ! talking about!" When Father Andrew Small, O.M.I., asked who remembered them at the inaugural World Mission Dinner May 2 at the Pierre Hotel in Manhattan, a few hands went up, mostly belonging to people with gray hair. - Ann C. Read 283 reviews from the world's largest community for readers. If you want, you can contact the director of music programming at Hawaiian Public Radio, and ask him if hes still using it, though. Please log in to comment by clicking here, Fordhams Greenhagen Finalist for National Scholar-Athlete Award. No longer just an auxiliary fundraiserthis was my chance to be part of the action! But, in fact, the entire program was rooted in a sense of solidarity and charity in the broadest understanding of the word. Thanks for the memories of the JMJ on top of the paper yes right in the middle. As a first grade student at St.Aloysius in Wilkes-Barre, PA circa 1969, pagan babies were part of our extreme Catholic instruction. When did this extremely non-PC term stop being used? You're teaching a 9 year old about slavery and ransom. When I was in the fifth or sixth grade, a neighbor who was my age, took 12 books of S & H Green Stamps ( remember those ) and contributed them to the pagan babies program. possibly before that, the Catholic schools sponsored an ongoing drive to raise money He stood right in the middle of the group . Over 50, attended Catholic schools from 1970-77 in Latin America. Catholic Church. monetization of National Catholic Register RSS feeds is strictly prohibited. At times, it seemed like the nuns in the Catholic School I was attending, would really pressure the students to contribute to the pagan babies. This was great to read. Someone must have decided it was no longer a good way to raise money for Catholic missions. Anybody have some spare change ? baptize it and give it the name we chose." Through the years, I have often wished I HAD one of those certificates as I have told the story about them to others and NO one seems to BELIEVE IT! Subscriber Service CenterAlready a subscriber? The mission has a Church, Cardinal Dolan reminded his guests in his opening remarks. class voted on names. So it had to be pretty official, like our nun just couldnt pull a certificate out of her drawer and fill in the name.no, I think that it had to be signed by the big Catholic mucky-mucks. The book may rally his followers, but it wont add to their number. His parents cant now change the little pagans name , right ? I still find myself wishing THOSE people had relatively lackluster and unsuccessful lives. The Biden administration has already announced it plans to fight any ruling against the FDAs approval of mifepristone. Prizes were given if we were successful. Written right on the top of the looseleaf paper, smack dab in the middle. Catholic Dopers >age 50- does the term "pagan babies" ring a bell? Thats 40 babies right there. RENEE! But for five dollars we could play Name That Pagan Baby . And finally they finished . That $5.00 bought you naming rights. One guy talked about confession when he was in third grade. Needless to say, by the time I graduated from Dominican there wasnt an iota of true Catholicism left in me, other than the bit I faked for a while to protect my Moms feeling. He's probably still wondering, "How did I wind up with Might make a nice story . Ransom and Baptism? . Some became doctors and lawyers and schoolteachers and others became lay catechists, sisters and priests, operating clinics and schools, colleges and seminaries, Father Small explained, and let me tell you something they need your help today as much as they needed it 30 and 40 years ago.. Seems like the boxes looked like animal crackers boxes . MJ, yes, the price was $5.00 and the money was kept in a cigar box, of all things! All for $5. "We can smile at it now at perhaps how silly it was," Father Small said. Chapter 1: Catholic Kids Make Great Faces Thanks for your input . Five bucks sure went far in 1958! Exorcist Responds to Sensationalized Russell Crowe Exorcism Film on Father Amorth, Ash Wednesday Breaks All the Rules of Modern ChurchThink, and More Great Links! Many of those kids still have their adoption certificate, like Bob He told how we had to examine our consciences. Wow. Whats a pagan ? What was written on the boxes? Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. Davey; Starving kids in Africa or something. Servant of God Mother Mary Lange and the Rich History of Black Catholic Religious Orders, Ukrainian Soldier Saved by Praying the Rosary, Priest Recounts, As We Forgive: Lenten Pastoral Note From Archbishop Samuel Aquila of Denver, A Lasting Trail of Light: The Witness of Pedro Ballester. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. Those memories come from a ways back . The Pagan Babies (the band from Hawaii) Jason Woycke 9 subscribers Subscribe 62 Share 2.2K views 5 years ago A compilation of live footage of the Pagan Babies (the band from Hawaii). Consider these suggestions for renewing your life in Christ this season. Watch for these changes, Eight more pro-life activists for FACE Act violations. My most cherished reward for raising money for the missions was a Madonna-and-Child nightlight that graced my bedside table well into adolescence. They folded out . Yeah , Charlie had a question . I may have turned into a pagan . A recent Pew Research Center study revealed that much of Christianity is significantly losing members. Then I developed dysentery, and the very people I was there to save were taking care of me. But Im a bit cynical . Theres the priority. When we got five dollars the children would pick a name for the pagan baby, send the five dollars to the priest at the mission who would snatch the baby from an eternity of suffering and baptize it with the name we sent along. I dont remember . I still have the ransom certificate to prove it. Then Father Small asked for a second show of hands. Campbell, now retired from the film industry where he worked as a technician, told Catholic New York, the archdiocesan newspaper, that hed been enrolled in the Holy Childhood Association since seventh grade and that he remembered adopting babies to get them baptized into the faith. Remember the "Pagan Babies"? "Wow, what a blast from the past!" I guess we survived . Someone spilled the beans , I think , or he bragged to the wrong person just what he had done . Never heard the term. if you can open your heart and you want to do something to help, PLEASE donate here to the Gonzalez Family . : Its a mystery . However, this 2012 article from Catholic News Service might be of interest: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1202140.htm. I stole your Money so that I could lend it back to You and Tim with Interest!!!!!!!!! . All of this went out the window in my belief system a few years later, when i began to understand political realities, had a more sophisticated notion of the universe and got very tired of having philosophical questions answered by Its a mystery. My favorite question was: If God can do anything, can he create a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it? Pagan ,pagan, pagan . "Thats what I remember. They projected slides of their missionary adventures onto the wall of the church hall . With missionary nuns and pagan babies for starters. But the pagan babies were actual children being looked after by missionary sisters, brothers and priests in their countries. Pagan Babies | Commonweal Magazine Pagan Babies By Linda A. McMillin March 12, 2012 I am a Catholic of a certain age, a graduate of parochial school, and a former member of the Association of the Holy Childhood. PJ. Anyone have proof the Catholic Church ( the dedicated Nuns ) were able to get the pagan baby money to its intended recipients? I am a Catholic of a certain age, a graduate of parochial school, and a former member of the Association of the Holy Childhood. Design by. Give a Gift SubscriptionBless friends, family or clergy with a gift of the Register. There is in the heart of every priest, and I hope in the heart of every Christian, the longing to be a missionary, to be a proclaimer of the good news to the ends of the earth, he said. those babies. Hopefully its from the old days. In fourth grade I was finally old enough to see the movies they showedwith shots of real lepers and starving children. I went to Christ the King in Pleasant Hill, CA. Bury it beneath your front step or porch during a full moon. Im sure none of that money got further than the downtown Archdiocese offices . There were no poor pagan babies to be pitied in Guaymas. Hearts of Gold, A Gilded Age Historical Romance Series. "I also had a Pagan Baby; I regret to say I haven't kept in touch with him." I had a lot of Pagan Babies named Mary Margaret!! Aiden/ Aidan: Is of Celtic, which means "little fire." Alun: Alun means "harmony." Albus: This name means "white." Im a veteran of catholic school and I remember so well about the pagan stories and purgatory, limbo and so on. It was pretty obvious he was showing off his flawless French accent. The beanies covered our heads during morning Mass. Your email address will not be published. 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