Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. And then maybe. With support like that, who needs Everytown? Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Hes hurt the small guys trying to kiss up to the big retailers here in Illinois. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. The company SHOULD be boycotted even if they shuffle management. Having this blow up the day before a brand-new product launch at the NRA convention is basically the exact opposite of fortuitous timings for Springfield. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved.. Local politicians always give tax incentives to move. No offense intended. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. Why does Ruger all of the sudden get a pass on treachery? If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. Looked at a custom SA 1911 before purchasing an STI. Under no circumstances would they sell me any magazines. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. Keyboard commandos wont fight it out on any battlefield. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions.. At least Henry, like Ruger, is 100% American. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock Major mistake, Springfield. It will make my future purchases easier because two manufacturers are automatically removed from my search and consideration. I think sometimes its just because they are new to the hobby of guns. Its GENESEO and its still about 3 hours from Chicago. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. Springfield Armory *deserves* to be pitchforked and torched. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28141995/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/illinois-has-long-legacy-public-corruption/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. Reese is a business guy, not a gun guy, as this video demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkfjwStDUUQ, At 1:02 hes pointing the XD at the host (which Leathem mentions, ?). Thanks a bunch pricks! Both Ruger and S&W learned from their mistakes, I do not know if these two can. The licensing fee? 2nd Amendment Supporters are up in "Arms" pun intended about the News broken by The Truth About Guns article concerning recent state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers that IFMA (Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association) a lobbying group back by Springfield Armory and Rock River Typical narrow minded hypocrites. Why does anyone ever even try to work with them? This was a bit disingenuous because, basically, both companies were thats the one ive just stopped considering. Nobody moves a company to New York (Remington has moved most out). We picked up a few seats last fall, but that simply moved the average ideology of the Dem members further left in our state legislature. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. That should be true. It might not have, but then again, if Senator Harmon didnt think it wouldnt have gotten himthat last vote or two he needed, he wouldnthave offered the deal. More interesting question: can Springfield even attempt to disavow at this point? Illinoying is pushing to get shut down. Low character move. Neither excuse is a proper justification. Its like saying Saturn is really, really big, and huge, too! Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Didnt Smith and Wesson do the same thing back in the Clinton era, and it nearly bankrupted them, let alone took them years to reclaim the trust of the gun community. Great gun. Thats how capitalism works. If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Hinterland #: 50977; MFG #: MT1800X; In stock. They have no ethics. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. At least the company would survive, even if the move was costly. Totally revitalized the economy of an American community with their 3rd plant. The lobbyists sometimes seriously overestimate how happy something will make a member or simply dont have the time to keep the membership completely up to date with minute-by-minute updates on how wrangling over a bill is proceeding. WebProduct Description. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. RRA donated money as well I think they knew about stuff going on, but want to pretend they did not. Until we destroy that party America will continue to be destroyed from within. Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. But they were happy to allow their lobbyist to finagle them a carve out. This is a digital day/night scope. My inventory of six XD pistols two 1911 .45s and two M 1As will be up for sale tommorow. If Rauner is serious about re-election he will veto this flaming sack of shite. The response was to Mark about the others being vastly superior, not your comment. As the market changes so does our pricing. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. Who Makes Rock River Arms? Larson first said Rock River Arms had broken ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Association which is only a four member board. That said, this just breaks my heart to see this moron Reese damage the brand. Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA:Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. Ben Franklin once said, If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.. Rock River Arms offers its version with a twist near and dear to my heart: the new LAR-15 pistol is available in both right- and left-hand configurations. You should buy a BCM, Daniel Defense, or LWRC. Springfield makes decent guns but there are others out there. Bill Ruger retired from the company in 2000 and died in 2002. How many Illinois politicians wind up going to jail? The Springfield name is going to carry an odor, no matter how good a particular firearm might be. Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. THEY MUST BE BOYCOTTED INTO BANKRUPTCY. Were pulling out of IFMA and regret that this happened. I totally agree Travis. Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? Czech Republic makes good guns,like CZs. Simply offering ideas and encouragement. Bill Ruger was key in the implementing of the 94 AWB, refusing to sell evil 20+ round magazines to anyone but .gov entities? job creation they call it (bribery is such a dirty word). To whom will they sell? We feel that IFMAs Companies move all the time. Sure, the majority will be DOA, but blue and swing states will see this get passed using this an example of good gun control that even firearms companies support. ), I DO have a choice with firearms. How does a company respond to pernicious laws and an atmosphere which is detrimental to the People of the Gun? Indiana has a good climate for manufacturers of firearms, and I wouldnt mind seeing a few more ffls open up shop near me in Northwest Indiana, either. Glad I happened upon this article. We need to defend our legacy from the likes of them !! Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. Any combination of buying or selling that exceeds 9 is a crime if youre not a dealer. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. Apples and suspension bridges here. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. AR-15 Parts. Lots of work. You shouldve made that decision because it is a piece of garbage, not because of this hysterical article. Most importantly, support our brothers in arms in Illinois. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. This will damage Springfield Armorys brand nation-wide, in a business where reputation is everything. They must be put out of business for their treachery. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. I dont have anything from either of the turncoat manufacturers and based on their actions, I never will. What part of their history am I missing Gov? WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Lightweight Mountain Rifle | MT1800X 5.56 NATO (223 Rem), 16" Chrome-Moly Lightweight BBL, Semi-Automatic, 6-Position Black Stock, Black Finish, RRA Lightweight, 30+1 Rds. Thats rolling over and showing your belly while wagging your tail. if you run a company and you dont know whats going on this is what you deserve. I have been casually looking at getting a 1911. Please focus on customer relations and positioning strategies. They will now go to the top so I can wear them out and use the warranty. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. The lobbyist for the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA), Jay Keller,traded that groups opposition to the bill in exchange for a carve-out, removing PrairieState firearms manufacturers from the licensing requirements. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. it Boom. Couple of Butler Buildings, concrete pad to support machinery loading, movers and a power hookup. Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. I hope they go out of business and leave the dishonesty to our opponents. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. Up yours Springfield! Are you reading-impaired? They mustve been channeling Bill Ruger. $14.95 Per Firearm One $9.99 Charge For Any Amount of Accessories Wrong. They make a so-so M14 copy that can only stand up because Norinco cant export their el-cheapo copy here anymore. they should have fought not laid over. There is a story of a guy that got run out of business after a hurricane because he jacked his prices up for generators. Well, now. I see only three plausible reasons: 1) Greed millions are never enough. What opinion? With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! They are a leader in the firearms field with a vast array of products that work correctly. Cancelled orders? Wasnt there big stink couple years ago about so called kitchen table FFLs not realy conducting business for living and just getting wholesale pricing on guns for themselves and their family members? Now they piss on us and tell us its raining? So I got the mags from a third party seller and have refused to do business with them ever since. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? Pennsylvania checking in. After the event I hadnt seen a shipping notification. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale to other would be future sell outs. The LAR-15 X-Series X-1 Rifle in .223/5.56mm from Rock River Arms is available at a manufacturer suggested retail price of $1,450.00 and $1,500.00, depending on the stock and color option (Black and Tan). An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. If these dam gun man. However, the R-51 is a bear to clean and still hasnt proven itself totally for CC, coming off its well documented ill fated Gen 1 launch and Remingtons continued reliability issues. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. I ended up buying an Honor Defense Honor Guard. Very pleased with it, as it has most of the features I wanted on a CC weapon. If they are both single stage, they will basically feel the same. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. had I known earlier, I might have bought a few more colt revolvers..god I wish Id known. Ive spoken with a couple of bigger dealers in Illinois in the past 24 hours. Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. The CMMG MkW-15 XBE Anvil gets the top pick for enthusiasts that handload or shoot a lot. Screw CTD. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 You ask what was Springfield supposed to do? Thanks Springfield. I think they and Illinois deserve each other and I hope they both end up on the wrong end of history. People Of The Gun have long memories. Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock River Arms probably isnt the best option. Never a single problem, thousands of rounds. Be everywhere until the bill is toast. in some cases they are just as passionate about their brands. That is their only 2 clients because it only exists and was created for them. Im both an Illinois resident and a SA collector with over half of my collection being custom and box SA products. Because of rumors of canceled orders. I checked my order history. Helps to have the older experience but not insurmountable. Last Updated. Theyd screw over their grandmother for a dime. I was a dedicated 1911 guy and really wanted to stick with something with a grip safety like the EMP contour or even the R-51. The Springfields looked to be a good value. This rifle is fed by a 10-round AICS-pattern detachable box magazine. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. You are both dead to me now. Find Senators and Representatives in close political battles last election and get their previously defeated opponents on board. Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. Its their prerogative. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. Just as its equally acceptable for folks like me to attempt to boycott them into bankruptcy. And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. Its sad but it happens. I really wanted a trp and a cqb but oh well will get something from another manufacturer. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. For folks like me, it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die for these rights, but to be willing to kill for them as well. Springfield can drop dead, Ill support gun manufacturers who support me. Nice deal on it until 4 July as well. Plenty of folks out there shooting LWRC, ArmaLite, DPMS who would argue theirs are reliable, accurate, & mo betta too. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. Chill out and stop trying to ruin a great company. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. Or how much it was going to take to replace them? I fail to see how giving the box stores a leg up on the gun shops helps Rock River or Springfield Arms in any way. Same here. In my collection i have a M1A, a Socom 16, a XDM in 45 and a XDmod2 in 9mm. The Ceo needs to retire, and everyone on the upper levels canned to. What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? CTD does our best to price our products at market value. Ive bought 4 guns in the last year and a half since they opened their store. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. However, again I wasnt really in the market to add anything else from their company to my safe anyway. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Fred Eichler Predator 223 Remington/5.56 NATO AR15 Semi Auto Rifle $ Remove from Compare Add to Compare. Sure enough, the bill passed theSenate by a single vote. Damage done. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. They also make an Original Henry Rifle. Springfield Armory today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. Built on the companys RRAGE upper and lower receiver and handguard assemblies, the pistol delivers a sleek profile. So thats a reason for ignoring the fact that Ruger basically wrote the assault weapons ban? Accurate and precise for The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. I own or have owned a number of AR's, including a couple of LaRue's, a KAC, a PWS and a POF. Its not just selling, genius. Youve just restated Bill Rugers justification for selling out gun-rights so he could keep his company viable. Ruger didnt compromise, they wrote the AWA and betrayed every American gun owner in a most serious way. Some would disagree. One of the few cases of sincere contrition. And dont give me this they have changed nonsense. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. Screw them. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Well do our part in other states to support you. Both are were on their way to selling over a quarter million of Springfield product this year. Not everyone reads TTAG or keeps up with this sort of in the weeds stuff. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. Its not difficult. Lobbying groups run on a lot of assumptions and they dont take a vote from membership every time a change is made to a bill that they think concerns their members. Oh yes, the Senator behind the bill has many skeletons, http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/illinois-state-senator-don-harmon-law-firm-makes-millions-from-state-agencies-pension-funds-the-watchdogs-oak-park/. As a collector of modern handguns, I was very interested in Springfields new XD-E and was hoping to find one as soon as they became available until all of this political posturing took place in Illinois (I live in neighboring Indiana). One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. September 30, 2010 By Greg Rodriguez. Rock River Arms sent me a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a tan stock and 24-inch barrel for testing. My hard earned money is going to be spent at Ruger. 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