Modifying it goes sort of against the whole straight-out-of-the-box concept. As a result, the traditional way to keep a shotgun running has been a tube magazine running along the bottom of the barrel. Ratings are relative to all other similar firearms. $2,699.99. Its an improvement over the old Saiga-12, but I wouldnt judge it being twice as good. The Vepr-12 is manufactured in numerous variations, each with a unique designation. This guy's specialty is with Saiga 12 and VEPR 12 shotguns, specifically with making them run smoothly and efficiently. If it does the mags may be the issue. When running low brass and target loads, every single round would essentially "stovepipe" and the next round would not cycle. And, since my kids all sleep upstairs, I can simply keep the weapon at less than horizontal + 15 degrees and they are totally safe. There is a little round button just behind the mag well, press that bitch up and rack the bolt. If run out of ammo, beat enemy to death with magazine!! However, it does not happen all the time, especially if you are using light loads. Vepr 12 shotguns are designed for self-defense. Other places I looked at wanted $1000-1200 for a new unconverted Saiga. You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial.. The trigger will reset if I pull thr charging handle back just a little bit and let the BCG go back into battery with the chambered round. True the manual from I mash is terrible, but 10min on the s12 forums fixes that problem. There could be some metal shavings or residue in the trigger components that might be causing this issues, but that is just a guess. . Thats like complaining that your 22lr wont cycle 22short. I think you mean (4+4+4+4)/4. The height over bore with a VEPR-12 or Saiga makes a bead not work well. The exact same thing happened. Take advantage of our guide rod install service, available here: Recoil Guide Rod Assembly VEPR-12 Dissident Arms, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/15-wolff-recoil-spring/, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/da-recoil-rod-installation/. I havent run birdshot through it yet so I cant comment on function with low brass loads. Upload or insert images from URL. About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. Play on the bolt carrier itself at the location you are speaking of is not normal. I repair a lot of tube fed guns. Mechanically, anyway. Not to mention your problems are things that others (such as Tim over on MAC) love, and Im thinking Nick just hates the idea of an AK shotgun period and will find any excuse to bash them. Go grab some decent buckshot and slugs and run about 20 or so through the gun to make sure it is broken in. This was one of the reasons I purchased the VEPR 12. I find the Vepr 12 section and start a new thread. (not one FTF or FTE. Second, ITS NOT DESIGNED TO RUN LOW BRASS BULK BIRDSHOT. Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. First on the list of gripes is the safety. . A jury would look at it and think I borrowed it from grandpa. They just arent as durable as people would like others to think. Fortunately for them they took off before I got downstairs. Ive seen them at atlantic firearms and classic firearms for $999. The button is located smartly ahead of the trigger guard in the middle of the receiver. That and my EAA Match 10mm. This is Russian AK; is built of steel, like Russian T-34 tank. I have seen people complain about the S12 not cycling light target loads. I get lots of help. For the most part all semi auto shotguns have their own quirks. Considering that standard OOB over penetrates at 1325 FPS for HD purposes, and has a ratty pattern, 1600 FPS would seem a move in the wrong direction. MAGS INCLUDED. Ergonomics: * ** * The follower is a bit rough in my sgm but unfortunately the fte problem happens with the factory 5 rounder also. I also found another guy in Texas who ran a business with similar services although after trying to get in touch with him, it appears that he is currently experiencing medical issues and could not help me. It made firing the gun somewhat uncomfortable for me. Ive done similar things on my reviews. To facilitate rapid reloading of the shotgun, a bolt release lever is located inside the trigger guard, allowing the user to release the bolt without breaking grip.[2]. Chamber: 3" / 76 mm. I put all this on before even firing a single shot and then took her to the range. Upload or insert images from URL. Shannon seems like a straight shooting guy who is honest and easy to work with. Ive owned both. I also did not use any magnums. Barrel: 19 inches By Some have guns that will run 3 dr Eq without work, but most end up just buying 3 1/4 dr stuff. but we are fanboys with no concept of purpose or usefulness. With the VEPR 12, I said what the heck. Has anyone else had this problem? Herters Multidefense Shotshells The ultimate knockdown power with a 0.65 round lead ball, backed by six No. All had a velocity of approximately 1200 fps. Mine won't function with them either. 1 buckshot pellets. I received my VEPR-12 shortly after the ban on Russian imports began and probably paid a little too much for it, but what the heck! It turned out to be the gas ports in the gas block. Weighing 9.5 pounds does help reduce felt recoil from high-velocity 12-gauge loads. Joined Jan 26, 2009 . and if possible side folding stock, but most of available options required a special adaptor. Bet this gun would be ideal for sasquatch hunting. I sent my bolt carrier group, piston, and fire control group to Shannon who began work on polishing the parts immediately. Pasted as rich text. In the same area is the bolt release. I actually decided to put the Molot muzzle brake (well, the Carolina Shooter Supply brake knockoff) and YES, it significantly reduces recoil on the gun! COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. We test the VEPR-12 a few different ways to see how this monster feeds. But Im not volunteering to be the test case. But it was a fun range gun. Price is a super hard one, but value could be a legit thing to rank in cases where it actually does affect the overall (and, btw, Im completely guessing as to why Nicks overall is lower than the average of the categories it could be value plus 1,000 other tiny things that didnt deserve categories of their own but brought the average down). Plus, the ones at my WalMart are 1315fps. Then you mention the xrail as if it is a viable and useful alternative instead of the uber-expensive, unreliable, heavy piece of crap it is in reality? Own a piece of Russian legacy before it's gone. Iron sights on the VEPR-12 work decently because they can be zeroed and give the shooter 2 aiming reference points. Well, it didn;t work that way for me. But I think that where a object/device is from shouldnt count into your considerations when buying said item. But the form factor of the magazines limit your capacity, and are you really going to take the time to strap on extra shotgun magazines before checking on what that noise downstairs was? How can you as a journalist allow personal bias against a COMPLETELY different firearm affect your opinion of this one? This is sounding like an issue with my trigger more and more. Have you disassembled your weapon at all? If I were looking to drop that kind of scratch on a semi auto 12 gauge its going to have pretty wood furniture. Instead of being a straight AK-style safety, Molot has added a flap that extends down near the pistol grip with the idea that you can then use your trigger finger to manipulate the safety. See Features. If not them some other fix may be necessary. I hope my previous comment doesnt seem anti-2nd. In doing so, we learn a lot about how the VEPR 12 feeds and ejects different types of ammo. I recommend the reviewer READS the owners manual first before in touches any gun. Yet it never fails. once they have reason they check all your guns, but u have do ack break the law make atf see u, The feed mod is first. Have to agree with the author. I went through 8 guns to get 3 that worked. This is the most obviously biased and uninformed review Ive ever read on this site. It has a side-folding two-strut folding stock with a buttpad and reversible cheekpad. Finally, I came across an outfit named Cobra's Custom based in North Carolina and run by a gunsmith named Shannon Neely. But the question remains: is the gas piston supposed to have a little side to side play in it? Sometimes price is included in the ratings, and usually it is in the discussion. The cheek pad is remarkably well designed, it can be moved out of the way, no problem for me, besides, most people will no doubt use a red dot sight, so sight picture will be unaffected. Yeah I forgot about that, But they also make a new 3" magnum load which I would like to try out for HD. For reference, 1 oz loads (28 gram) it must be at least 1235 FPS. I do not know Shannon at Cobra's personally nor is he paying me to endorse him, but I feel strongly about giving credit where credit is due and he definitely delivered what he promised. The safety on the m1 rifle and several other firearms is in the trigger gaurd. How does Rails all over the place, and more after market mods than you can shake a stick at net a mere 4 for customization? The shotgun is also imported into the United States. I have an additional 5rd factory magazine I could take to the range next time to see if both of the magazines I tried today are faulty. Had a Saiga 12 and it was a fun range gun. Except the 12 is still gauge rather than diameter in millimeters I DONT UNDERSTAND! Yea its all been disassembled, cleaned, an reassembled properly. Im quite sure its something simple. Later models included a fully functional folding stock. I get lots of help. the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. This. Also try not to limp shoulder the weapon. What do you use it for? Per 100 or 200. While I get the point the 922r Law is stupid, stay safe and dont give them anything to hang you with. I might cut my house in half, but there is no way in hell anybody is leaving that place alive. Paste as plain text instead, Friend lose things. The Vepr-12 can use the same magazines as the Saiga-12 with modifications, but the Saiga-12 cannot use Vepr-12 magazines and drums. This review is full of inaccurate information. We test the gun exactly as it comes from the factory. New from Wolf: Optics and Night Vision Sights. Then I looked at my ugly but 100% reliable $200 Mossberg 500 with 8 rounds and a wood stock. Ergonomics Firing: * * * * Day and night difference in performance and reliability. I don't post too often on these sites, but I have had such horrible problems with my VEPR-12 and such subsequent fantastic results with it that I felt compelled to leave a post. Often guns need to be "broken in" before they function properly. It is well designed and in a place that makes it easy to reload and shoot without moving your hand much. If it is still not working I'd contact the importer or the store you purchased it form. Id hate to be the test case, but it seems likely that if anything, the test case would likely be a pretext prosecution (i.e. I have thought about using it to hunt with in the future as I can buy 2 round mags. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Factory last round bolt hold open. Your link has been automatically embedded. The dust cover is hinged to the shotgun, allowing the user to open and close the cover without losing the zeroing of a mounted optic. The most I was able to get all day were 4 rounds through it without a malfunction. You cannot paste images directly. Is over-penetration what it is supposed to do? got question how many atf going strp down one these just see ifi it complinant. But a fun range gun with 20 round drums. Even a brass bead is over thinking it in my book. i know the You need to pull it into your shoulder when shooting the low power stuff. My Saiga-12 shtogun review comes to mind, in which I detailed exactly why the gun was a piece of crap and the fan boys retorted with well, obviously you need to fix the gun before you test it! Either it has sharp edges (you cut yourself or the gun grinds when using it) or it doesnt. They continued to happen for the rest of the magazine. The gun ran better. Threaded barrel should not be an AWB problem for a shotgun as it is not on the shotgun evil feature list. It should be solid as a rock, but we will need you to post a video or multiple pics showing the amount of play you are speaking of. amen to that. They included that button on the bottom of the receiver it is in front of the trigger this allows you to lock the bolt without an inserted magazine. Early American export models have no muzzle brake and have a fixed stock rather than a folding stock. Re-use your factory recoil springs, or, for improved cycling with 3 dram ammunition, use in conjunction with our 15lb Wolff recoil spring, available here:http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/15-wolff-recoil-spring/, Note: Gunsmith install HIGHLY recommended! All ratings are relative compared to the other weapons in the guns category. Pre-break in its a little pesky. If you don't give a it good back stop, you can cause the FTE's. What would happen is the quality would degrade. The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. Your piston rod play room looks fine, but I would call and verify with the importer (or pm papazorro or evlblkwpnz or tac47) and send him a link of your video as well. Ive beaten competitors much better than me that used those in Trooper division simply because their gun didnt work. I received my VEPR-12 shortly after the ban on Russian imports began and probably paid a little too much for it, but what the heck! I dont believe the 2nd is about home defense. The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. Then I switched to S&B buckshot, thinking that perhaps the birdshot was too light to cycle the action (even though its supposed to be self regulating and work with any load). In the old stone quarry, I ran five loads through the VEPR-12 for patterning at 15 yards. I get what you saying. You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial. I keep a competition Beretta for skeet shooting and my mossberg 500 and Benelli m4 share the roll of home defense. Two groups of 8 rounders = 32 rounds and is way less cumbersome than the drums and reloads leave other semiautos and pumps in the dust. Learn how your comment data is processed. There are some really nifty features on this gun, and it definitely is an improvement from the Saiga-12, but Im running into the same problem that I ran into with the Saiga: what do you use it for? Bring the price down around $800 and well talk. First, the Saiga and the VEPR are completely different guns. On the flip side, you have to draw the line somewhere and if there were a rating category for every possible facet of a firearm then the ratings would be longer than the review article. Even with the availability of Saiga-12 and VEPR-12 shotguns, the pro 3-gun shooters still dont use them. My vepr 74 needed the fcg polished, it wouldn't reset on its own because shit was gritty and would catch and not let go. the issue has been had with numerous #6 shot and also random target loads, all 2 3/4"slugs and 00buck run flawlessly. or for that matter, the Vepr 12 itself, that doesn't mean that the FFL will accept it. It was wisely placed here making it ambidextrous. First off the S12 was designed for heavy brass. Lets be honest, the importers arent sponsoring them. Photo by Jeff Jones. Shame on you. Id also be really embarrassed to show up at work without pants on, but its just about as likely. Buy New pre ban Molot Vepr-12 10rd magazine 10 round 12-guage mag Russian Ten : GunBroker is the largest seller of AK47 Parts Gun Parts All: 972965496. The CD, Superformance, and Zombie loads are all the same shit with different hulls. springfield-hellcat-for-sale This can't be done by the end user, as the little front 'lip' would be removed in the process. The effect of these changes is that the gun is a lot easier to handle straight out of the box. Not bad, actually. Break it in a bit. Are you rapid firing, or taking your time between the shots? The Vepr-12 also incorporates a unique safety catch and bolt release mechanism. The first, and tightest, was Federal's LE 12700 that showed the sights were regulated low and right, which was quickly corrected without tools on the adjustable tangent rear. No. I prefer 5, 8, and 10 rounders. His point about magazines, there are 5, 8, 10, 12 round mags available and various drums too. I also own a Mossberg 930 and Ive fired slugs from my friends Savage 12 gauge. Why arent top 3 gun shooters using it? If youre running in open division then this is definitely an option, but consider that for the same price you can have a Mossberg 930 with an XRAIL and have 22 rounds at your disposal before needing to reload, and still have a normal shotgun in every other way. You need to contact the seller or manufacturer for a replacement. Ill report back. The top front of the mags forward of the feedlips needs to be lowered about 1/8" to allow some over insertion, which should fix this problem. That skeleton stock is actually a left hand folding that has been pinned open due to 922r. This is quite obviously no better than a brick for home defense. Am i allowed to post a youtube link? I never done any real testing with it for overpenetration in an HD scenario, but it may overpenetrate. If youre thinking about home defense, thats probably the best application I could think of for the gun. I dont see the Vepr as much of an improvement. Total Length: 42 in / 1070 mm. The commercial load that I think makes most sense for HD is a #4 buck higher velocity load with the flight control wad that Federal sells as a coyote buster. Modifications arent covered in reviews. 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