The big stuffed animal and all of the dolls would haunt me to the point that I would eventually have to tell someone. "I dont feel like I thought I would. I doubt hes seen that classic film, but girls as flowers is common imagery. The suspect was not someone the families knew, Mike Patty said. February 24, 2017 I'm assuming LE must "ask them" or straight out tell them to keep such information strictly to themselves for the sake of the on-going investigation. That area was not searched until after dark on the 13th. The only exceptions are murder and treason. After. Scarf around neck. They sell them on Valentines Day. I theorize that after release from prison he was itinerant and carried a gun for protection. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Tony Slocum said at the time, referring to Liberty. LE did not say it was over by 3 pm-ish. This young lady is a hero, theres no doubt, Indiana State Police Sgt. So why waste your money on Hughes and Greeno? "It would be great to finally get some justice for the girls. Not unless they were in a relationship for 2+ years and he got a tattoo of her, which I find unlikely, as Libby would only have been about 13/14 back in 2015/2016. Hi Robert. omygosh what a shame! The agent also references the video on Libbys phone where the suspect says guys, down the hill. She confirms the full video is 43 seconds long. They are asking that anyone who recognizes the man in this photo to call the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at 765-564-2413, the Delphi Police Department at 765-564-2345 or the Indiana . Our police sources told us that Mr. X is indeed the main suspect. He was seated right smack in the middle of the room. Before Tuesday's hearing, prosecutors filed a motion for what amounts to a gag order, asking the court to bar statements or comments outside of the courtroom from all involved attorneys, law enforcement officials, court personnel, the coroner and family members. Will the public interest be substantially served by limiting access?" Liberty, who went by Libby, and Abigail, who went by Abby, went for a hike along the Monon High Bridge on Feb. 13, 2017. First, a pitch for support for this website and our sleuthing group: People are donating lots of money to Delphi podcasters Mike Greeno and Gray Hughes, which is their right. Of course he knew who they were. Yes it is very important that there is a Tyson plant nearby in both of the crimes. The FBI also announced that it is utilizing approximately 6,000 electronic billboards in 46 states to solicit information on the case. The FBI agent does say Logans voice is not inconsistent with that of the person in the video.. Looking at Facebook posts from 2017, its clear that he had reddish hair then and that it could appear curly when short. Also and this constantly nags at me, if LE really has one person, Mr X, in mind but just cannot resolve his alibi, wouldnt that name get around in a small town? Abby Williams and Libby German, both 13, were murdered. "While this is another chapter in this story, our lives that were going through right now, I want to make sure we continue that, right? Discovery: February 14, 2017 Robert Lindsay, Independent Journalist: l Talk about Things You're Not Supposed to Talk About. I think I read about that case! He has been hiding in plain sight, posting his artwork and cryptic statements on FB, etc. The girls were reported missing to police at 5:30 pm. Who were they? The agent goes on to say I believe there is probable cause to believe that RONALD LOGAN has committed the crime of murder and evidence of that can be found on RONALD LOGANS property.. I havent seen the tape but a friend saw it and she said he had a huge smirk on his face the whole time. Officials weren't sure just how many volunteers came, but sign-in sheets appeared to log hundreds." Breaks my heart that the family had to try so hard to get help. That seems proven at this point. 1:08. They may have if they'd known the girls had been killed, but remember that until they found the bodies the worst they were prepared for was finding the girls badly injured or dead from exposure. If these claims of the crime scene condition and signatures left behind by the killer are false, then I have to wonder what on earth the police found so bizarre. Im not sure how they phrased it of they told, ordered or threatened them to not reveal what they saw. How many more than one? Problem is that CSI cop NM was the one providing the alibi for Mr. X, so that theory doesnt work. Five years ago today, in Delphi, Ind., two best friends, Abigail Williams, 13, and Liberty German, 14, went missing while on a hike through the city's . Libby's grandmother, Becky Patty, told reporters that Allen had processed photos of the girls at a local drug store and did not charge the family for the cost. Indiana State Police. The two girls had gone for a walk on an old railroad bridge along Monon High Bridge trail near Delphi, Indiana, on February 13, 2017, when they were murdered. An earlier version of this article misstated the date of Logans death. Suspicious as Hell if you ask me. And were going to stay after it. Rozzi began his arguments by asserting that the documents should be unsealed. On a day off from school Monday, Feb. 13, 2017, the teens Liberty, 14, and Abigail, 13 embarked on a hike after a sleepover the night before at Libby's house. You realize that we have a detective in Indiana who told us that Mr. X is LEs main suspect in this case, right? The next day, volunteers from the community formed a search party, and found the girls bodies in a wooded area near the trail. The teens lived in the tiny town about 70 miles northwest of Indianapolis. It is not a a palette knife, I know that much. There were no stuffed animals in trees. We must trust their sources and investigative techniques. Or a twisted kind of guilt or compassion for the girls? He was very well-liked in town. You dont think there were stuffed animals at the crime scene? He tells off women in passive aggressive hostile posts. Were there (are there) people from the search party talking on some obscure boards we know nothing of? Instead he was with the team that found the bodies. Perhaps its a violation of social rules, but thats not in the DSM yet. "That's just a common thing to freak out about like, [why]; you know what I mean?" The members of the search party who found them must still have visions and memories of that tragic day etched in their minds. "That is correct.". The Murder Sheet Podcastwas first to publish the transcript of an Indiana State Police interview with Kline, where he admitted having contact with Libby German and suggested police had told him he failed a polygraph test about the murders. Our understanding also is that he never even called her to have her bring the keys. I see a stocking hat behind the head. Delphi murders:What we know and don't know 5 years after Abby and Libby were killed. It is our theory that Mr. X stalked Libby on Snapchat for four months until the murders. Doug Carter, superintendent of the Indiana State Police, announced Richard Allen, 50, of Delphi has been charged with two counts of murder in the deaths of Libby and Abby. I myself have short lower legs and a long thigh area, so I noticed this right away. Presumably they were told that they could wreck the case if they told people what they saw. On Delphi, I agree with you about Chadwell. To say that all of the details intertwined with so many different people and relationships is complex would be an understatement. Another chilling detail recovered from Libertys phone emerged about a week after the girls were found a recording of what might have been the killers voice. You disagree that the Delphi Murders are connected to what? Its a pretty big coincidence that both these towns have a Tyson pork processing plant nearby. Hi Robert. It also hints at the idea that they were meeting someone there, a gift for a date. When the girls did not return to their rendezvous point, family called authorities and a search began. "That is accurate," Becky Patty said. The motion cites the extensive media coverage as reasons for the proposed gag order. McLeland said the public and media interest in the case rekindled after Allen's arrest, and Allen's wife had to flee the community. Lilly caps cost of insulin at $35 a month, bringing relief for Hoosiers, Paramount Englewood exceeding diversity, academic norms, Marion County Traffic Court closing in May, IMPD releases bodycam footage of January shooting involving 3 officers. Kline is facing 30 child porn-related charges stemming from his alleged use of thefake social media account. Can you show me? Im sure it will come out. Our goal is to find anybody else involved in this heinous crime. In a news conference, Indiana State Police shared Richard Allen, 50, of Delphi, was arrested Wednesday and charged on two counts of murder during a court hearing two days later. I havent seen this stuff. Delphi has a park dedicated to the teens, called the Abby and Libby Memorial Park, honoring their love for sports and the outdoors. However, bond may be granted if the case does not appear to be strong, according to Indiana law. A 50-year-old suspect identified as Richard Allen has been arrested and booked into . But what shocks me is how little these men give their audiences in return for their purchases. Il Funerale di Saddam, Add Iran to That Sino-Russian Alliance While You Are at It, This Is Almost Certainly the Single Most Inexplicable Series of Geopolitical Blunders in Recorded History, The Rules-Based Order the US Keeps Blabbing about, The Jewish Conspiracy To Subject Humankind. Watch on. I am very curious to know what you think people are getting wrong as to Chadwells behavior and videos (both are which are undeniably creepy). DELPHI, Ind. who is bridge guy and is this a cold case?Please remember to be nice to those who come forward and share their stories.#delphi #libby #abby #ericwilliamsdelphiThe Unsolved Podcasthttps://youtu.be/edb0SEKBtB8#Delphi murders#delphi murders kelsi#delphi murders kline#delphi teens murdered#abby and libby#abby williams#delphi case#delphi daughters#delphi girls murdered#delphi indiana murders#libby and abby Next to the drawing, for no apparent reason, is an unusual (to me) looking knife. (WISH) People in Delphi say the community is far from closure despite an arrest announcement in the 2017 murders of two girls, Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby . DELPHI, Ind. As per the transcript, Kline also allegedly searched "how long does DNA last" in the aftermath of the murders, in addition to Googling updates on the Delphi investigation and searching for information about other unsolved killings, including the murder of JonBentRamsey. He is a welder and the hat the BG is wearing looks like a welders cap. Days after the bodies were found, Indiana State Police released a photo of a man they suspected was involved in the killings. In addition, SPM2 also reported the same dolls hanging from trees that SPM1 report. Not validated via LE, but its a popular rumor that police officer NM was the one supplying the apparently fake alibi for Mr. X. Thats also why Carter said, The killer, who may be in this room as we speak Because the guy who they think did it was indeed right there in that room as they were speaking! Either LE or coroner: It was all over by 3:30 PM.. We cannot publicly convict someone based on a single document which was not released by investigators. "We now move forward through the Indiana criminal justice system allowing the system to provide its due diligence and process," Carroll County SheriffTobe Leazenbysaid at a press conference inside Delphi United Methodist Church. DELPHI, Ind. ", Delphi killings:4 things we learned about arrest in deaths of Liberty German and Abigail Williams. Authorities said that Richard M. Allen, 50, of Delphi, Ind., was taken into custody last week and charged with two counts of murder Friday in the killings of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail. Thats one theory we are looking at. And the girls may well have been moved and put there late at night. "No. Begs the question, WTF were they up to? If I go with the assumption that it might have been a group of searchers that didn't include members of LE, I can't imagine being a member of the community and volunteering to help to search for anyone and then finding the person or persons deceased in probably what was an obvious sign of a homicide(s), especially as someone such as myself who has no LE experience (or medical experience, etc.) "But the arrest on two counts of murder is sure a major step in leading to a conclusion in the long-term and complex investigation.". Breaks my heart that the family had to try so hard to get help. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, http://www.pharostribune.com/news/local_news/article_031b521c-f2e3-11e6-a249-a77587cb24f9.html. I am close in age to Chadwell and I cannot imagine writing things like that. I don't know. I will say that the one thing that is certainly proven about Mr. X is that he is suspicious. The motive is likely to be a lot sicker than that. Why else do you think Carter would have said those things? I wonder if they got IDs of everyone in it or names(obviously he could give a fake one) because wouldnt they know who wasnt local or acted odd or just be able to look into them all to be safe. Ok, thats so crazy that its almost impossible to believe its true. And thats not even the start of the weirdness. Talk about the helpless, right? Ive heard that when a killer feels something for his victim, hes more likely to care for the body, for example, wrap it in a blanket to protect it from the elements, etc. Only a few seconds have been made public. "It certainly seems like it could be significant, but as to what it pertains to, I don't have a clue," said Carrie. Its nice to have a serious conversation without people chiming in with what if BG is a woman? (one thing I actually read this week) and other absurd speculation. Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a7aaf19783c3ef0be4e1653389843f4e" );document.getElementById("b83dbe3da2").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. Im almost 100% the Flora case is connected to the Delphi case. Its about Abby and Libby, their families and this community.. I literally have no clue how that girl died; I don't know anything, anything to do with it. I too wondered about foul play. As a psychologist though, It does makes me stop and think about LE and the types of scenes and different tragedies etc. About the stuffed animals hanging from the trees. From the very beginning, I felt that the perp(s) is/are local, and that they knew the girls through the friends and family circles. Typically most defendants charged with murder do not receive bond. The original female search party member (SPM1) also spoke independently with another member of my team, a woman. And lets keep that open out there, keep that flowing, keep the information coming in.". The pre-hearing courtroom chatter grew quiet as deputies led Allen into the courtroom from a back door. How many individuals were involved in the initial search? DELPHI, Ind. Any theories? We have no idea. We now know who the FBI was looking into at first as a potential . Speculation has mounted that Kline may be working on a plea deal with prosecutors, though it's still unknown if the search is related to his child porn case or the Delphi murders. Required fields are marked *. She said police hadn't contacted her about the search but had been for other significant developments. It was unclear Monday whether Allen has an attorney. The two SPMs discussed above have both told us that LE told them not to tell anyone what they had seen at the crime scene. He took his wife with him. | ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. No, but no way is this guy involved. Grays videos run to 3-4 hours and may contain five minutes of useful material if you are lucky during that time. My thoughts as well. So does a youth, so does the fairest maid Romeo and Juliet (1968) . Because the conditions of two men being alone with each other and out of sight of others for a significant period of time are pretty narrow. They are both saying the same thing independently, too, and we have no evidence that they talked to each other. True crime podcasters investigating the brutal 2017 murders of two young girls in Delphi, Indiana, say they spotted law enforcement conducting a search of waters close to where their bodies were . Mr. X? Five years after Liberty German and Abigail Williams were killed in Delphi, Indiana, 50-year-old Richard Allen has been charged with their murders. In two August court filings, Kline's attorney said that his client was "exploring other legal options" about his child porn charges and negotiating with prosecutors. He was charged with a probation violation for driving with a suspended. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing., The document says authorities also found that two articles of clothing from one of the girls was missing from the crime scene while the rest of their clothing was recovered. The latter seems to make most sense, but leaves the question to why the CSI guy lied to everyone, including his colleagues. What if he's full of s**t? The Murder Sheet Podcastfirst published the documents, and I-Team 8 has confirmed with a police source that the document is authentic. Because he seems to be quite the liar to me," she charged. ( as I said, I took this as I would a rumor-type of info and the only thing I've ever read about the crime scene. 4 min read. If thats the case, wouldnt you think they would have been noticed the first day during the search? It looks like a stuffed holiday (Christmas) Tweety bird to me. On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German were discovered off a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. Its like he wants these two tween girls on the cusp of womanhood to remain forever children and sexually innocent and so leaves them surrounded by a childs toys, both as a kind of apology to them, as well as way to announce to the world that he has effectively preserved them as children forever. And most of what we have reported is based on solid sources such as search party members, official case documents, and LE sources close to the investigation. Based on investigators experience it is reasonable to believe that the creation of an alibi prior to the discovery of a crime indicates culpability or knowledge of the crime, the agent wrote. Delphi Murders Walkthrough via CrimeDoor The girls failed to meet Libby's father at the appointed time of 3:15 pm. The multi-agency task force working on the Delphi case is certain that the new sketch accurately depicts the face of the man who killed Abby and Libby. Abby Williams and Liberty German went missing while walking on The Monon High Bridge Trail on Feb 13, 2017. they were found murdered the next day, victims of. I know this all describes Mr. X, but I still think these same things, whether its him or someone else. and our "As Doug Carter said that earlier, if you recall. The public can see the truth of the facts to support this case," he argued, adding that the public also can assess through the documents how their tax dollars were spent in the nearly six-year investigation. To me, he seems very stupid and immature, and I guess I want to believe the BG is some highly intelligent criminal mastermind to do something so awful and then evade capture for so long. The Peru home he shared with his father, Tony Kline, was raided 12 days after Libby and Abby were found dead. This is especially important with the heinous murders of Abby and Libby. Allen is being held at the White County jail without bond and has hearing dates scheduled for January and March 2023. Thanks for posting. A public court hearing will be set to determine if the documents, including the affidavit in the case, will remain under seal. CVS worker Richard Matthew Allen, 50, was charged in October after an analysis concluded a 40-caliber round that was found between the bodies of 14-year-old Libby German and 13-year-old Abby Williams had come from a gun he owned, according to a probable cause affidavit made public Tuesday. Yeah, I can do a post, but in the post Im going to say hes not it because hes not BG. As the search for Abby Williams and Libby German ends at a crime scene, the reality of what's happened is worse than anyone could have imagined. To this day they haven't been found. Or Libby was going to tell all and bring many people down from previous insurance/appraisal scams? I've read somewhere a few different times (only via rumor and not fact obviously and my apologies as I can't even remember where I read this, only that I definitely read it somewhere) that one of the girls' was left in a propped -up position against a tree. 187 5.6K views 2 years ago THE DELPHI MURDERS - THE SEARCH (MINDSHOCK TRUE CRIME PODCAST CLIPS) Breaking down the search in the case. At the conclusion of Tuesday morning's 40-minute hearing, Special Judge Fran Gull said she will publish a decision on whether to make public the charging documents and affidavit after reviewing both sides' arguments. He was charged with a probation violation for driving with a suspended license. DELPHI, Ind. I'm wondering if the families were even told about what the scene itself disclosed, or given any details about the crime scene such as; how the girls' bodies were left at the crime scene. Where are those people? Very interesting. That should at least tell us something. How about getting your moneys worth? That's mind boggling. Sadly these murderers and chomos are a dime a dozen. Non-uniform officers searched. Very suspicious. Police initially believed the. Thanks for your work and your blog. Im not sure about that. in which I've ever, thankfully, have had to witness anything so utterly horrible. Its nothing. News outlets throughout the state, including Gannett, the Hoosier State Press Association and the Indiana Broadcasters Association, filed a brief Monday in favor of the documents' release. Thats how he knew they were going to be there at that date and time. What strikes me about this rumor regarding the dolls at the crime scene is that it was mentioned in the leaked Erskine texts that Abby was found placed on the ground like a doll I always wondered why Erskine would describe it like that. I generally accept it however because to assume otherwise would be to assume that the entire police force and townsfolk who were in the search party waited longer than what made sense. Our profession will not allow us to speak on what we think, but to always speak about what we know. Then they say they had planned to reopen it much earlier in the AM but that the fog on the 14th made it very difficult to see so they didnt restart the search party until 9 AM. Arrest made in Delphi case: Delphi man charged with murder in killings of Libby German and Abby Williams A search party found their bodies along Deer Creek, about a quarter of a mile east. DELPHI, Ind. Precisely how they were killed has never been revealed by police. Didnt know, I dont know the gentleman personally at all. "And thats the case. It seems odd. This makes me think of the dolls and stuffed animal left at the scene. Support the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! Crews were being sent out 10 to 12 people at a time to help cover an area of 20 to 25 square miles, Leazenby said. Moments after multiple law enforcement agencies announced the arrest of Richard Allen, 50, in the 2017 killings of Delphi teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams, the. Small beak. After the Leaker leak came out, I guess things hotted up and he moved to his other property in Monticello maybe to get out of the heat for a while. We also have it from two separate search party members independently that they were told to not tell anyone what they had seen. The next day, Abby, 13, and Libby, 14, were found murdered allegedly by the unidentified man Libby. Its a small county. But police did not disclose the cause of death at the time, saying only that the case was a double homicide investigation and the girls autopsies have remained under seal. He is a middle-aged man who has thick hair and a baby face and dresses like a teenager. Libby's grandfather did not want the media to move on from this day. LE thinks BG did Evansdale and they think BG is Mr. X, correct. Im not sure if the reason for this is because the search parties just mentally glossed over that particular location for more remote spots or because theres something geographically strategic about that particular area that makes it less detectable. "If he is leading us on another wild goose chase, then that would be gut-wrenching.". This is also a problem because brains go everywhere and this is probably how those prion diseases like Mad Cow disease are spreading. Gray makes over $100,000/year from his podcasts, which is fine by me. ", Delphi man charged with murder in killings of Libby German and Abby Williams. But definitely I dont know him.". A very popular one is the observation that if the crime scene was this insane, it would have leaked out by now. Ive always said that I would be screaming on the rooftop. DELPHI, Ind. At this point, this rumor seems like its proven at least to my satisfaction. If he isnt the BG, he has some macabre fascination with the murder. Kline denied involvement in the girls' deaths, calling the timing of his correspondence with Libby a "weird a** coincidence.". The agent said Logan contacted his cousin and asked him to tell that story before the bodies were found. Delphi man charged with murder in killings of Libby German and Abby Williams. Make And its likely that BG did work there, as youve pointed out, since he killed Libby the same way pigs are slaughtered. Were going to keep pushing all the way. The arrest has been long awaited by the families of Liberty and Abigail, as well as for the community of Delphi, which has kept a close eye on the investigation. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Regardless of what I could happen to "find" by searching as I stated further above in a post, if anyone needed help in my area I would surely help! 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